In episode 97, Coffey talks with Terri Swain about the problems with corporate DEI efforts since George Floyd’s 2020 murder and other HR-related items in the news.

They discuss why many corporate DEI efforts have yielded few meaningful changes; why successful equal employment opportunity programs take the long view; why leaders need a systemic approach to mitigate bias; and how Uber’s diversity leader’s troubles reflect the state of DEI. They also discuss strip clubs getting unionized; the EEOC’s response to the use of AI in HR; and the “crisis of trust” in corporate leadership.

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Terri Swain

Terri Swain

Terri is the founder and Chief Truth Seeker with DecipHR a Fort Worth based, human resources consulting firm specializing in Equal Employment Opportunity investigations, employee relations and interim HR leadership.

The company was founded in 2022 after the sale of her 24 year old company, The HR Consultant in 2021. DecipHR has a nationwide and diverse client base, specializing in solving complex employee relations issues and providing interim HR leadership to growing companies.

Prior to her consulting role, she had Fortune 200 human resource leadership experience in the areas of employee relations, human resource planning, and training and development.

Terri began her career in human resources via government compliance as an investigator for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC).

In her spare time, she enjoys a good book, a brisk walk, loud live music and travel to new places.


Terri Swain can be reached at:




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